假设中印中印爆发全面战争争,世界会有哪些改变

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加拿大《汉和防务评论》主编平可夫称,如果中印领土争端升级为全面战争青藏铁路有可能成为印度空军Su-33MKI 战机的目标。报告称,虽然中国军力比印度强大,然而在边境争端中,PLA有几个弱点。中国在该地区只有两个主要空军基地——贡嘎和日喀则——由于它们靠得非常近,印度空军能够轻易在短时间内消灭中国机队。PLAxz驻军的另一个弱点是过于依赖青藏铁路提供补给。一旦这条铁路被切断,PLA将很难找到另一条新的供应线。译文来源:三泰虎 龙腾网
外文标题:Breaking: India could take out Qinghai-Tibet Railway to cripple PLA
外文地址:http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/280863-breaking-india-could-take-out-qinghai-tibet-railway-cripple-pla.html龙腾网
The Qinghai-Tibet Railway — which runs between Xining in western China's Qinghai province and Lhasa in Tibet — could become a potential target for the Su-33MKI fighters of the Indian Air Force if a territorial dispute between China and India escalates into a full-scale war, according to the Kanwa Defense Review operated by Pinkov also known as Andrei Chang, a Canada-based journalist specializing in military issues.加拿大《汉和防务评论》主编、军事问题专家平可夫称,如果中印领土争端升级为全面战争,连接青海西宁和xz拉萨的青藏铁路有可能成为印度空军Su-33MKI 战机的目标。Earlier this year, Beijing and New Delhi agreed to withdraw their respective forces from the disputed area of Daulat Beg Oldie in the Ladakh border region between the two countries. However, tensions remain as an official border was never drawn following a conflict in 1962.今年早些时候,北京和新德里就从存争议的拉达克边境地区北奥特里地撤离各自部队达成了一致,然而,由于1962年中印冲突以来两国从未划定正式边界,紧张局势仍在持续。Even though China's military is more powerful than India's, the People's Liberation Army has several weaknesses near the contested border, the report said. China only has two main air force bases in the region — Gongga and Shigatse — and since they are very close to each other, the Indian Air Force could easily neutralize the Chinese fleet there in a short period of time. As for the other four air force bases in Tibet, none of them are able to accommodate advanced PLA fighters.报告称,虽然中国军力比印度强大,然而在边境争端中,PLA有几个弱点。中国在该地区只有两个主要空军基地——贡嘎和日喀则——由于它们靠得非常近,印度空军能够轻易在短时间内消灭中国机队。至于xz境内的另外4个空军基地,它们中没有一个能够容纳PLA的先进战机。According to the Kanwa Defense Review, China's second weakness is that the PLA units in Tibet rely too much on the Qinghai-Tibet Railway for supplies. Once the railway is cut off, it would be extremely difficult for the PLA to find a new supply line. There are 260 bridges and two tunnels within Tibet and India's Mirage 2000 and Su-33MKI fighters would able to attack most of them with precision guided munitions.《汉和防务评论》的报告称,PLAxz驻军的另一个弱点是过于依赖青藏铁路提供补给。一旦这条铁路被切断,PLA将很难找到另一条新的供应线。青藏铁路在xz境内有260座桥梁和2座隧道,印度的幻影2000和Su-33MKI战机能够用精确制导武器摧毁大多数目标。以下是巴基斯坦防卫论坛读者的跟帖:译文来源:三泰虎 /india-could-take-out-railway.htmlnotorious_eagle(巴基斯坦)龙腾网
IAF operates SU30MKI, not SU33MKI.印度空军装备的是SU30MKI,而非SU33MKIAssault Rifle(印度)龙腾网
China Media after all.But Kanwa Defense Review looks credible as even Xinhua the official China Government News agency reports their analyses.毕竟是中国媒体。不过《汉和防务评论》看起来可信,就连官方的新华网也报道他们的分析。wanglaokan(中国)
Those MKI will be shot down before they get there, IAF is outnumbered by PLAAF in quantity and quanlity. This thread is a nonsense crap.Su-MKI战机还没飞到就会被击落。无论是数量还是质量,印度空军都输给PLA空军。本帖就是在扯谈。onionkiller(印度)
u should read article again. there is no number game.再看下文章,并没有所谓的数字游戏,数量并不重要。POPS(印度)
Bull crap article written by a狗屁文章OrionHunter(印度)Firstly, the Indian Air Force does not possess the so called SU-33MKI fighters!Secondly, this news is as old as the Himalayas.Thirdly, there is no way any country in the world within geographical limits, that can stop interdiction of their country's assets.Fourthly, it is as clear as day that all the infrastructure built by the Chinese in Tibet for movement of their ground forces are legitimate targets and part of the Indian Air Force's battle plans.Fifthly, the Indian Air Force is not an exhibition piece to be displayed only during air shows! They have a task to perform during war.1、印度空军并没有所谓的SU-33MKI战机;2、新闻和喜马拉雅山一样古老;4、很明显,中国在xz境内为地面部队调动而修建的所有基础设施都是印度空军的合法目标和战斗计划的一部分;5、印度空军并非只是用来在航空展上展示的!他们在战时必须执行作战任务。walle(中国)
If India decides to bomb the Qinghai Tibet railway, PLA will have a reason to shell New Dehli 24/7 seeing China already having to destroy so much outdated ordnances.如果印度决定轰炸青藏铁路,PLA就有理由7Χ24小时轰炸新德里,中国正好有许多过时的军火有待销毁。sovcomflot(印度)
I don't think there is threat from PLAAF in tibet.The main threat is from Chinese airborne divisions and its conventional ballistic missile force and the ADM network of China我认为印度并未面临来自PLA空军的威胁。其实,主要威胁来自中国空降师、常规弹道导弹以及防空导弹网络。Srinivas(印度)
Brahmos can take out the supply lines and railways of Chinese. With the increase of range it can strike deep into the enemy territory. Tibet is difficult to hold in case of invasion for chinese since supply lines has to pass through a tough terrain.布拉莫斯导弹可以摧毁中国的铁路供给线。随着射程的增加,布拉莫斯可以深入袭击敌人领土。对中国人来说,一旦遭入侵,xz将难以守住,毕竟他们的补给线必须经过恶劣地形。Oscar(巴基斯坦)
Restating the Obvious. Unless the IAF is run by novices(which they arent), they will look to attack the infrastructure and logistic lines of the PLA from the get go as part of their war effort. Now if they are going to get through or not depends on the target's vulnerability in terms of its structure, its defences and approach.So if the whole line has one Key bridge then chances are that even with a tough SAM and AAA coverage along with interceptors there may one or weapons that get through and take it out. But if there are redundant lines along this particular railway with three or more critical crossings.. then the IAF may succeed in reducing the flow but not stopping it. It may also take prohibitive losses depending upon the defence that the PLA puts up.除非印度空军由新手指挥(事实并非如此),否则他们不会一开始就袭击PLA的基础设施和后勤补给线。如果整条铁路线有一座关键的桥梁,那么一枚导弹就能把它摧毁。如果铁路沿线还有其他支线,关键的交叉口不下三个,那么印度空军也许能成功拖延补给速度,但难以切断。此外,取决于PLA的防空是否强大,印度空军也许会遭受不同程度的损失。Bhai Zakir(印度)
You need to remember IAF will be having air launched super sonic Brahmos missile with 300 kms range.你必须记住,印度空军将拥有射程300公里的空射超音速布拉莫斯导弹。GR!FF!N(印度)
actually,we'll rely more on Jaguars than Su-30 MKI for this kind of ops..remember,Jaguar Deep Penetration Ground Attack jet is exactly built for this kind of missions..其实,相比Su-30 MKI,我们更依赖美洲虎战机来执行此类任务。记住,美洲虎深入渗透地面攻击机是专门为执行此类任务而设计的......third eye(印度)
The silliest thing anyone could do is to employ valuable assets to strike a fixed target - something that missiles can do.Wonder where the author has picked up his information from.最愚蠢的事情莫过于动用有价值的资产来袭击固定目标——这种任务可以用导弹代劳。不知道作者是从哪里获得信息的。rockstar08(巴基斯坦)
sooner or later , this could happen , but best is to avoid war !这个迟早会发生的,不过最好避免战争!GR!FF!N(印度)
actually Qinghai-Tibet Railway isn't far from Indian border..though IAF needs to perform deep penetration attack for this job and should have to cripple it around Qinghai province.as for @sovcomflot 's airborne forces,China lacks that kind of strategic lift capability to quite some extent.they're making new aircraft Y-20,but it'll take some time before induction into forces..in the meantime,they're ordering more and more used Il-76.and for helo airborne operation,helos aren't quite suitable for that region.PLAAF uses Mi-17,which is quite poor performer in high altitude operations.IAF is itself victim of that.thats why IAF chose Helos which can operate comfortably in high altitude areas,like Siachen..but PLAAF lacks these kind of helos.其实,青藏铁路离印度边界不远,不过印度空军不得不在青海省周围将其瘫痪,为此必须执行深层渗透袭击。至于中国的空降部队,中国目前尚缺乏战略投送能力。他们在生产新的运-20飞机,不过离服役还有一段时间。期间,他们不断订购越来越多的二手伊尔-76运输机。PLA空军装备有非常适合高原作战的米-17直升机。印度空军也面临类似问题,所以会选择适合锡亚琴等高原地区作战的直升机。wakapdf(巴基斯坦)
Stupid Indians! China will beat you into submission before your planes can even take off. You talk about two-front war. How about two-front air war. We have kicked your crap many times. This time we will do it alongside our Chinese brothers. India should learn to behave before we bring the stick!!!愚蠢的印度人,你们的战机还未起飞,中国就会把你们打趴。你们谈论两线作战,要不然打两线空战怎么样。我们已经多次教训你们了。这次我们将和中国兄弟一起。在我们挥舞大棒之前,印度最好学乖点!vK_man(印度)
1948 and 1971 were indian victories. 1965 was stalemate. 1962 was defeat . 1967 chola incident was victory but only because china feared ussr.1948年和1971年的两次印巴战争是印度获胜,1965年那次是僵局,1962年中印战争是失败,Chola事件是获胜,不过唯一获胜的原因是中国害怕苏联。(三泰虎注:“Chola事件”是1967年发生在锡金的中印小冲突)GR!FF!N(印度)
nope buddy..thats because we had superior observation post and means to fire arty more accurately..it has nothing to do with USSR..and 1965 is a stale mate???War started by capturing Akhnoor by PA,war ended by IA almost capturing Lahore..不对,获胜的原因是我们观察哨所位置更好,能够更精准地进行射击,跟苏联没有任何关系。1965年印巴战争是僵局?战争以巴基斯坦军队夺取阿克诺奥尔开始,以印度军队几乎拿下拉合尔结束.......vK_man(印度)
Believe me ,china could have provoked another war with India ,but it was fear of Russian invasion that kept them off. There were already a lot of tensions due to sino-soviet split which culminated in the 1969 sino-soviet war skirmishes which was crushing defeat for China and nearly led to russian nuclear attack on china had Mao and CCP not backed down. In 1971 USA and China had nearly intervened in India but due to Russia threatening nuclear war both backed down.There is a good book sword of the empire by maxim kalashnikov which has details about the events of sino-soviet split.On 1965 ,there are differences of opinions of historians. Thats why I stated 1965 as stalemate.相信我,要不是出于畏惧苏联干涉,中国也许挑起了另一场对印战争。中苏反目导致局势紧张,并在1969年中苏冲突中达到顶点,中国在这场冲突中遭受惨败。要不是毛让步,苏联差点就要对中国实施核打击。1971年,美国和中国差点干涉印度,由于苏联威胁核战,两国才让步。历史学家对1965年的那场战争的看法各异,所以我会称之为僵局。GR!FF!N(印度)
there was no proof of what you're saying..fact is that both sides never wanted to escalate to a full blown war.你说的毫无根据....事实是双方都不想升级为全面战争。Armstrong(巴基斯坦)
As if China won't retaliate & that too at a disproportionately larger level ?说得好像中国不会采取更大规模的报复一样?SUPARCO(巴基斯坦)
In a territorial war between China and India, would Russia and the United States dare supply armaments to India considering China is far the largest trading partner of Russia and the United States?考虑到相比印度,中国是俄罗斯和美国体量大得多的贸易伙伴。为此,在中印领土战争中,俄罗斯和美国是否胆敢向印度提供武器?
UKBengali(孟加拉国)
Well the SU-30MKI has next to zero chance in surviving the Chinese air-defences if it crosses the border into China.HQ-9 and J-10A/B/J-11B when guided by AWACs will make mincemeat of the aircraft.It could cause some damage by being used as a stand-off platform to launch brahmos. The PLAFF has the formidable HQ-9 to combat those missiles but a few may still get through and cause damage.I don't really think the IAF will have the guts to try to take out a high-value target like the Qinghai-Tibet Railway as the response of China will be very devastating to India and the Indians have zero options to deter the Chinese.一旦越过中国边界, SU-30MKI战机能逃脱中国防空系统猎杀的可能性几乎为零。空中预警机引导下的红旗9导弹和歼-10A/B、歼-11B战机能将其彻底击溃。如果从陆基平台发射布拉莫斯导弹,那么也许能造成一些损失。PLA有强大的红旗9来拦截布拉莫斯导弹,不过也许一些导弹能突防并给中国造成损失。我认为,印度空军没有勇气摧毁青藏铁路等高价值目标,因为它可能招致中国对印度的毁灭性报复。Peshwa(印度)
The question is, who has more to lose (in terms of infrastructure)...
Indians who have close to nothing in the NE or the Chinese with their expansive rail and road network links supplying to Tibet?Either way, expect the Indians to use the &Govt in Exile& card at an appropriate time if war ever breaks out (hope it never does)...To me thats the only trump that India has over China at this point.问题是,在基础设施方面,谁会遭受更大损失......印度人在东北邦几乎没啥基础设施,而中国人建了昂贵的铁路和公路网络。不管怎样,如果战争爆发(但愿永远不会),印度人有望在适当时机打出“流亡政府”这张牌......在我看来,这是印度此刻唯一一张对华王牌。That Guy(巴基斯坦)
I'm pretty sure that China recognizes this weakness and if it didn't before, it does now. You can expect China to think of long term plans to fix these weaknesses.可以肯定,中国认识到了其弱点,即便以前没有,现在也认识到了。预计中国会制定长期计划来消除这些弱点。djsjs(中国)
what bad for India is that Indians always think that India is a strong country糟糕地是印度人一直认为印度是强国。Shinigami(印度)
actually its the other way around. most indians (and members of pakistan defence forum, of course) tend to severely underestimate the strength of our military. i would have thought at least the pakistanis would have wisened up considering the disproportionate losses we inflicted on them in almost all battles but i guess i was wrong其实相反,大多数印度人(包括本坛的印度会员)倾向于严重低估印度军队的能力。我原以为,在几乎每场战斗中遭受严重损失后,巴基斯坦人至少会学聪明点,然而我猜自己错了。sincity(美国)
Indian can't take on China period, they have larger population, larger land mass, better military, richer, how the heck Indian will win a war against China but Indian also dreaming of fighting a 2 front war with both China and Pakistan.Indian import military equipment and totally depend on foreign supply, domestically Indian can't produce weapons and they have to wait for their weapons to deliver, this little fact China will win a war against Indian in case there will be one.印度没法挑战中国,后者人口更多,幅员更辽阔,军队更先进,国家更富裕,印度又如何能赢得对华战争呢。不仅如此,印度人梦想着同中国和巴基斯坦开启两线作战。印度从外国进口装备,完全依赖外国供应,国内无法生产武器,必须等外国交付。仅凭这点,一旦发生战争,中国必定能打赢印度。khanz4996(巴基斯坦)
India is in self destruct mode count down had begun already they are living in a dream world印度已经处于自我毁灭模式的倒计时中,他们生活在梦想世界中。Saleem(巴基斯坦)
first tell them to learn how to run a submarine then think about &taking out& anything other then their cr*p,......先叫他们学会如何操作潜艇,然后再来考虑如何消灭某个目标......S10(中国)
China did not have the railway before 2008 when it went into service, and it managed to supply its troops in Tibet just fine. Now that we have better roads and airfields, do you think we're really concerned about being cut off?2008年前,青藏铁路并未开通,当时xz驻军的补给不成问题。现在有了更好的公路和飞机场,难道你以为我们真的会担心青藏铁路被切断吗?rafiqali(印度)
But now India is raising assault divisions, and to counter that you need rapid deployment.A damaged rail link will be serious for you in crisis time.印度正在新建突击师,你们需要快速部署才能应对。在危机时刻,一条受损的铁路将会给你们带来严重问题。S10(中国)
We are three times your size geographically, quadruple you economically, fifty times your industrial output and miles ahead in transport infrastructure.我们的领土面积是你们的三倍,经济是四倍,工业产出是50倍,交通基础设施遥遥领先。rafiqali(印度)
Non of that matters a lot in the Himalayas. Local force ratio is most important.You make a million times more toys than us, so what good is that in war times?在喜马拉雅山脉,这些都不重要。当地驻军比例才是最重要的。你们生产的玩具是我们的一百万倍,这些在战时顶个球用?S10(中国)
The weak cannot compete with the strong. The few cannot match the many. The backward cannot keep up with the advanced. You're not in the same league as China, whether you like it or not.弱者无法抗衡强者,少数不能匹敌多数,落后的跟不上先进的。不管喜不喜欢,你们跟中国不是一个级别的。rafiqali(印度)
And generalities cannot override the specifics. Wars are not fought on generalizations.A copy-paste nation is not a league we want to be in. And Indian forces are growing fast. You have many borders to defend, we only have the Indo-China border (Pakistan no longer counts militarily)一般性不能掩盖特殊性。战争不是基于一般法则而开打的。我们并不想和一个只会复制粘贴的国家处于同一个级别。印度军队快速发展。你们许多边界需要守卫,而我们只有印中边界需要应对。scorpionx(印度)
The concept does not work every time. Your lines was once believed obstinately by Stalin before he attacked Finland which he was compelled to swallow after the humiliating retreat.这些概念并非总是对的。在攻击芬兰并被迫吞下耻辱失败的苦果前,斯大林也曾经如此固执认为。S10(中国)
1. You are not Finland.
2. Finland lost large areas to USSR and was forced to attack the Germans.
3. We already had you beaten before.
4. The gap, economically and militarily, has only grown wider since 1962.1、印度不是芬兰;2、芬兰大片领土被苏联占领,被迫袭击德国;3、我们以前已经打败过你们;4、自从1962年以来,中印的经济和军事差距一直在扩大。scorpionx(印度)
1. The fact that India is not Finland does not bolster your claim that &Weak Can not compete with the strong&.2.Not true.Finnish forces were well withing Soviet territory at the later stage of the war.Most importantly Soviet manpower losses were more than three times than the Finnish.3.You have beaten us in 1962 does not mean you are invincible.This fact was proved five years later.4.Indian forces are much better equipped and trained for mountain warfare than 1962.Most importantly unlike 1962,politicians do not interfere or compromise with national security.1、印度不是芬兰的这一事实并不能支撑你的这一声明,即“弱者无法抗衡强者”;2、战争后期,芬兰军队进入了苏联ing图。最重要地是,苏联损失的人力是芬兰的三倍不止;3、你们在1962年打败我们,并不意味着你们是无敌的,5年后的一场冲突就证明了;4、相比1962年,印度军队装备更精良,山地战训练更充分。最重要地是,政客不会像1962年时那样干涉战争或牺牲国家安全。
最后一条笑了,三哥,你真当别人家吃白饭的,你进步了可别人会在原地等你追上来?
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希望国人不要在过去破坏原始环境
LXX的理解能力堪忧...&
层主说的是不要去破坏这个论坛的原始环境~~&
那炸弹只炸人不炸树木,草地?&
LS+1.好多国人过去拉仇恨这点真的很不好
世界第一大迷团,三哥的自信到底从哪来啊。。。
三哥自比芬兰...也不看看自己1962年和PLA那可怜的交换比,三哥就这点好,永远都是欢乐的,自信的,强大的,你不像英国那样把他彻底殖民,他就永远觉得印度必胜,除非殖民过以后,他才会对你特别的服服帖帖,当然对女人除外
印度需要一个铁腕的领导人。。。
国大党万岁!辛格万岁!&
错,高傲的三哥不需要铁腕的领导人,他有“世界最大的民主国家”这个头衔就已足够他们玩转这个星球.........&
有了核弹还有那么多军迷假模假式地讨论这个那个,,不蛋疼吗
印度还没能力把会核爆的弹头装上火箭···&
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印度某将军满怀信心地指挥手下把核弹头装上了烈火-3弹道导弹,将目标对准了三峡大坝,高呼一声“阿拉阿克巴”,然后按下了发射按钮
这枚导弹在做出了五分钟的布朗运动之后,精确命中青藏铁路
次日印度各大媒体刊发爆炸性新闻:《我国烈火-3型导弹首次实战告捷 精确命中敌方目标 中国惊呼不可战胜》
印度人不说阿拉胡阿克巴的,他们说Jai hind!当然Lal salam也行~&
三哥为什么觉得他们打XZ我们就只能打他们东北邦呢?他们觉得东北都是像中国人的奴隶所以死了也无所谓可他们知道开战了印度全境中国都可以随意攻击吗?印度那3马赫的反舰导弹有多大威力?和中国导弹比,它不能放核弹头(中美俄的新型战术导弹都可带各种核弹头)!没分弹头技术(中美俄先进战术导弹以可分3弹头)!不能末端高速度机动(末端8-10倍音速的超高速机动)!隐身弹头(更小雷达反射更难被探测)!真打起来中国可以要求美俄停止对印度提供精确制导卫星支持,他的导弹只能乱飞。如果谁敢提供可以立即用神光系统对轨道卫星软杀伤,或者用反卫导弹,微型反导卫星硬杀伤,再恶心点还可以用空天飞机直接把轨道卫星偷回来……
直接使用KKV动静貌似大得点,还是激光利索点吧&
神光系统或者曙光系统翻译不同吧?中国在2000年左右试验过苏联在上世纪60年代使用过。2006年8月及9日,美国政府曾表示,该激光系统曾瞄准掠过中国领土的美国卫星。美国《全球安全》网站总裁约翰·派克称它在天山山脉&
神光系统貌似是用来搞核聚变发电的吧.........目前最靠谱的就只有DN2了。&
他们的智商我们是不能理解的。他们还没有搞明白啥叫全面开战。就好比中日开战,只是在强调海军如何如何。其不知道,第一波次攻击不会是海军,而是全日本的核电站然后富士山还有靖国神社哈哈!
普通导弹肯定不行的,钻地战术核弹应该可以,其实大伊万之类的更好。&
你们都好坏,哈哈~~不过,我喜欢!!!&
额,其实我不知道导弹扔到富士山会不会引起火山爆发,我只知道那玩意是活火山。&
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一看到是《汉和防务》我就放心了!!!
平局干的不错!!!龙腾网
年终奖金妥妥的!
where is 木迪 ?龙腾网
叫木迪出来
印度某将军满怀信心地指挥手下把核弹头装上了烈火-3弹道导弹,将目标对准了三峡大坝,高呼一声“阿拉阿克巴 ...
又次日,由于担心中国的核反击报复,一直严阵以待的印度军方在雷达上发现两个不明光点,判断是中国的东风-21B导弹,当即一声令下,几百枚拦截导弹锁定雷达上的光点发射了出去龙腾网
第三天,印度宇航局从太空中接受到不明信号,经世界各地专家学者会诊,发现信号来自木星和金星,破译之后发现大意如下:“别打了,我投降还不行吗!”
笑死我了!~~&
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虚无缥缈的讨论,问题是中国可不想和任何国家发生比较大的冲突
咱们确实怕和三哥有战争,咱们的那些防御系统对于布朗导弹很头痛啊。
什么NMD CNMD全部无效,这才是真正的隐形导弹啊&
三哥萌啊!激萌……
印度就不吐槽了,怎么一些国人也上去拉仇恨秀智商?
部分国人有慈悲为怀的思想,打算拯救三哥的智商&
看看就好,印度与中国直接冲突的可能性实在是太小了,因为很多年前两国就建立了对话机制。
印度脑子里成天想着打仗,真烦。
阿三又在意淫~~
不是吓到一定程度,也不会夜夜都意淫着爆中共菊花...
大家还是不要去惹印度 中国现在算是个穿鞋的 印度是光脚的 他真要发起疯来 对中国也不好受 就像印度真的除了他的首都和少数几个城市 你去轰炸他都算是浪费钱 其实西方国家真的是巴不得中印一直这样仇视下去
阿三总是开小差,战斗意志又差。
现代战争排除核武,打的就是后勤,
& &&&我有点讨厌中国网友去印度人的论坛去过于显摆自己,如果自己真的觉得强大,无需从口头上去多说什么。无论从哪方面说中国肯定比印度强大,这没什么好争论的。我们的目标不是印度。
& & 不仅仅是我们比较的目标不是印度。我们和印度之间在可以预见的将来也不会开启战争。除非印度领导人异想天开来主动挑衅。中国现在对待印度是采取守势,我们的重点不在印度方向。理由很简单,因为印度没有什么是我们想要的。你们可以说还有藏南。但是藏南并不是会影响中国崛起的战略目标。如果要拿回藏南只有对印度全面开战,并且彻底把它击败。我相信我们能做到,但是并不值得。有很多后续的影响,反而会影响我们崛起的进程。毕竟这个地球并不是只有中国和印度两个国家存在。当然,政府也不可能在领土问题上做过于大的妥协,谁也不想在自己的任内去承担这样的历史责任。所以只有拖着。龙腾网
& & 这有点象古时候的中国,自己强大的时候也没有非要把边疆其他游牧民族国家占为己有。作为农耕民族,我们打他们费时费力,况且那些边穷国家真的没有我们想要的。这有点象现在的印度,资源不多,人口倒是很多,文化不同,习俗不同,民族性格不同,真的让你把印度占了恐怕有一大堆问题。你单单要一个藏南,人家肯定不给。现在的时空环境和英国当时殖民印度不一样。古时候,边疆游牧民族国家强大起来,每每对中原王朝是个非常大的威胁。所以,如果印度越来越强大,对中国也是很大的威胁。那么我们有几种选择:一是彻底灭掉印度,甚至灭族。二是把印度人都赶出印度次大陆,就象把突厥人赶到欧洲一样。第三是彻底占领他们,同化他们。第四是分化他们、销弱他们。第一和第二我们不会去做,第三点我们不愿意去做。那只有第四点可以考虑,但这已经不是战争手段了。也不一定能成功。龙腾网
& & 美国就是想分化我们和消弱我们,但它也不一定能成功。打铁还需自身硬还是有道理的。周边任何国家强大了对我们都有威胁,不仅仅是印度。也不仅是周边,你自己如果弱了、落后了,其他国家远涉重洋跑过来抢劫也不是没发生过!龙腾网
& & 还是那句话,藏南问题目前解决不了,和印度开战的可能性,在可预见的将来很低很低。
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印度某将军满怀信心地指挥手下把核弹头装上了烈火-3弹道导弹,将目标对准了三峡大坝,高呼一声“阿拉阿克巴 ...
不会吧印度不会喊穆斯林的口号吧,不过还是很有意思。
(三泰虎注:“Chola事件”是1967年发生在锡金的中印小冲突)龙腾网
有人能介绍下这次事件嘛?看来这次三哥胜利了
三哥败了,就是不知道三哥的政府是怎么宣传的&
只听印度网民在这里嘴炮,印度主动攻击XZ的可能性为0,除非印度上层的脑子全部潮了才敢跟中国玩全面战争。现在中印之间工业产值如同1940的美日之间的差距一样,中国不攻击印度的唯一理由是我们养不起一个有10几亿嗷嗷待哺的穷地方,印度不攻击中国的理由是,XZ那地方,你放开手让他占,以印度那糟糕的后勤能力战时也供不起一个旅。
我有点讨厌中国网友去印度人的论坛去过于显摆自己,如果自己真的觉得强大,无需从口头上去多说什么。 ...
中国1962年内有灾荒,外有美苏交恶,再加上XZ只有土路,漫长2000公里的补给线,前线靠马拉人抗才能勉强补给,以这种条件下,在短短一个月内,700人阵亡,1400人负伤的代价,就歼灭了接近9000三哥全国最精锐的部队.
别太高看了三哥,三哥的强项是吹牛,自大,然后就是得寸进尺,你不收拾他,他就一步步蹬鼻子上脸来侵略你的领土,这在之间显露的很清楚了,不断的往中国这边一点点侵略,杀害我们的边防战士,我们警告那么多次,还是不理我们,以为我们后勤不行,外交又不行,打定我们不敢反击,结果呢,打一顿立竿见影,马上就和平了好几十年,三哥整个就是一欠揍的个性.
以往中国面对的日本也好,美国也好,苏联也好,都是当时世界顶级军事强国,中国都是以各种劣势最后都是交换比要比敌人高很多,才能打赢或者打平,但是对三哥则是反过来的,三哥就一军事三流的国家,当年我们那么多的劣势,他们占着那么多的优势,还叫我们打出那么好的战绩,这就足以说明他们的水平.
中国1962年大胜之后撤军,有很多原因,当然最核心的还是专注东部发展,西部安定,中国当时需要发展崛起的时间,这点到现在也没变,中国确实还需要继续发展,但是这是建立在中国急于埋头发展,不想惹麻烦的基础之上,而不是中国不想收回领土.
中国未来经济很快会超过美国,并且超过之后还会保持较高增速坐稳世界第一大经济体,但是一旦增速逐渐放缓,那时候中国发展的差不多了,恐怕就不会如过去和今天一样装孙子求和平了.
说现在不会打,我也同意,毕竟太祖那时候就说中印问题以当时的智慧解决不了,留给子孙后代吧,然而等中国再过10年,经济发展逐渐成熟,世界第一大经济体,第二大军事强国,完全达到超级大国实力水准的时候,收回藏南有什么问题?
藏南本身是边境争议领土,要打也是边境战争,跟什么全面战争又要彻底打败印度有什么关系?中国1962年如果不是外交和后勤压力,要硬要拿回藏南都不是不可能,更不用说再等10年之后中国国力晋升超级大国的时候了,1962年中国以1个月的时间中间还带暂停的,就把三哥打回去了,如果是2023年之后,中国要打三哥拿回藏南,我敢说1个月都算多,再加上现在的后勤保障能力远比1962年好的太多了,拿回藏南印度有什么脾气?
打几个大规模的歼灭战,让三哥吓尿了,他还敢来么,继续来,行啊,那就继续歼灭他,直到他不敢为止,这藏南也就自然而然拿回来了,根本没必要什么打全面战争深入印度内陆彻底击败之类的,这太异想天开了.
再者印度不是一点价值都没有,什么农耕游牧之类的,这些比喻放在这不合适,近代以来所有的大国都谋求势力范围,中国成长为超级大国之后也是一样,怎么可能允许自己后院有个国家跟自己唱反调,比自己弱的多的多,还要占着自己的藏南,然后还天天觊觎XZ,鼓动和支持独立,如果连这些都要容忍还算哪门子超级大国,这些要忍也只存在于之间,发展的机遇阶段才需要忍,都发展到超级大国的实力了还需要忍受宵小之辈的压迫?
首先就必须得保障西部的安定,在有足够实力之后,回过手来,就得想办法从被动转变成主动,不单单要收回藏南,并且让三哥没法再煽动藏独,还得反其道而行之,支持三哥内部的独立,甚至让他内战,比如毛派,东北邦问题,外加联合小巴,孟加拉,斯里兰卡,夹击印度,让他无暇他顾,这就好像美国对我们做的一样,我们效仿之对印度也来在这一手,一方面遏制印度崛起,让他疲于内忧外患,另一方面,我们还得跟他们做生意.
中国制造还得扩展印度市场,逐渐征服印度让他成为中国的商品殖民地,别小看12亿人口,人本身就是一种资源,有人就有市场,印度完全可以作为中国商品的倾销地,只要尽可能的把持住别让三哥有机会崛起发展自己的产业,他就没法竞争.
中国现阶段还得继续装孙子求和平,但是已经到末期了,用不了多久中国就自然会转变风格,国家的脸那还不是说变就变,关键还是国家利益和战略怎么决定,10年前的中国,现在的中国,10年后的中国,在国力和国际上的实力都是完全不一样的,我相信10年后中国会变得强硬的多
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